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Jeez keep it light people ffs
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Blossy you are a ticket!Not taking anyone for a rider I do have a bonafide problem with spelling.I can read just fine but when it comes to writing down words’s I have a real problem.Thanks tho for taking it to the boards.
I wouldn’t call that bullying, I was merely speaking my mind because seeing her 9 times out of 10 actually having/being/doing whatever any other chatter is saying they’ve done/been/ had gets a bit tedious after a while……..
No thats not true but if I relate to what another chatter is talking about, i like to join in.I think your just picking at me.After all most of whats talked about is pretty humdrum stuff that most people would know about.You know Blossy you have been right of kilter latley,not your usual eccentric self but compleatley unhinged.Dont be sniping at me because you wont get away with it.Back off!
You’re a brave man Scep…..you against most of the boardies (again)
Awwww..thanks you, Ms K.
As always, you are so right.
You’re a brave man Scep…..you against most of the boardies (again)
It’s because he goes on ego trips. He always goes against the majority and tries to win his argument by waffling or dodging certain points. Don’t start screaming about being bullied, scep, it’s just an observation.
Nooo. i totally disagree, Reason,. You’re wrong, so wrong. So there
I just think that agreeing with people is quite boring.
Sometimes I like what people say, and I even like some people.
But I think polemic is important in sharpening debate.
Drac has the same approach, but she approaches it in a different way, goes off on a tangent, and gets her facts wrong (eg people who carry anarchist flags are Communists.
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These slippery liberals. 70% of labour held constituencies voted Brexit and according to the slippery liberals, who detest UKIP, Corbyn should have abandoned that 70% and handed the seats over to UKIP. That is liberal logic for you.
Aww SHR, I knows dem facts. They have been circulated very widely within Labour websites.
There are mor3e fundamental questions though. Not just principle. I don’t see the EU as a principle, personally. But in terms of living standards, the NHS etc etc.
Some of us ‘slippery liberals ‘ actually believe that brexit in today’s world could make us far worse off. Honest, we doooooo!
But you are right. I actually detest UKIP, and was cheering with the best of them when some young lad threw an egg at Lord Farage, the People’s Toff, and Paul Nutter at Stoke yesterday.
But let’s wait until 23 Feb before any further comment on Labour and the UKIP threat. Or should I say, I shall wait.
A civil war lol. You ready to take up arms, drac?? You know what a civil war is really like?
Failure to activate article 50 after the referendum would mean that the people have lost all sovereignty, if that isn’t a reason for a civil war then I don’t know what would be. There would be a vote of no confidence in government and a general election first, I think there would be a Conservative/UKIP coalition if that happened and article 50 would get though on a second vote. If for some reason Labour or Lib Dems won the election then I think the government being forcibly overthrown is a very real posibility
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Nonsense. A civil war is something weird. We’ve had them in this country, but not for several hundred years. The conditions for civil war are lacking. Or have you and your mates been tooling up without me noticing?
You have the wrong idea of popular sovereignty in the UK. We live in a parliamentary democracy, not a plebiscitory one. There would be fury, but a general election would resolve the issue.
The last time there was a comparable constitutional crisis was in 1910, and two general elections were fought amid a lot of shouting and hoo-hah about civil war. The result was a change in the constitution.
You do go in for these futures. I don’t. I have learned to sniff the wind, and see that changes are usually gradual and sometimes very unexpected. That means unexpected for you as well as me. Who knows where any of us will be in a year or two?
Does anyone take the Bank of England’s predictions seriously?
They are more reliable than any ecconomist, although that isn’t saying much.
Then you’ll notice that the Bank is predicting that the mini-boom is likely to run out pretty soon. It was apparently caused by people dipping into their savings. There has been a significant fall in savings in recent months. Cars are selling very well, I believe, though car-sellers are expecting the demand to collapse as rising producer prices feed their way through.
The Bank has moved from over-gloomy to over-optimistic, but they do stress that these are short-term predictions, and that the long term predictions remain a bit on the gloomy side. I don’t trust that either.
There are two stages to the bank’s predicted crisis. One is psychological – a belief that people would scarper just because of the uncertainties of brexit. That proved to be stupid, and they have egg all over their faces. Apart from the steep fall in sterling, people have spent. the mini-boom following brexit is almost entirely driven by consumers. Above all, you can’t quantify psychology. This is a result of the economic ‘experts’ trying to quantify everything – it’s not political economy, it’s econometrics, and we saw the results in the big crash of 2008.
Secondly, there is the structural crisis of actually leaving the EU. That is contextual and can’t be quantified. Who knows what the context will be? My own feeling is that some compromise will emerge and we won’t leave the EU (other than formally) for many years, but that’s just a feeling. You’re entitled to a different feeling and may be right. But Chumps’ economic programme is a big uncertainty, and I pointed out here (what seems) a long while ago that a Le Pen victory would change all the rules of the game, and may spell the end of the EU. Such a victory looks very possible at the moment.
Still, the gamble has been taken, and Westminster gets ready to fire us like a rocket into the wondrous skies of the unknown. Will we swim? Will we sink? Or will we just take in a lot of unpleasant salt water and somehow struggle along, maybe?
Aww SHR, I knows dem facts. They have been circulated very widely within Labour websites.
Which totally contradicts your stance in that earlier post I responded to. If as you claim you are actually aware of the facts. The facts are (in terms of the labour party), that in the once thriving industrial heartlands and in poorer rural areas in mainly England and Wales, the uneducated working class voted Brexit and the educated middle class metropolitan elite, in major urban cities, voted Remain.
70% of labour held constituencies overwhelmingly voted Brexit. Giving politicians you despise a silly pet name is utterly irrelevant. What is relevant is that opposing 3/4 of labour held constituencies, by opposing Brexit, would be political suicide for the labour party. Particularly where UKIP have a strong presence in northern heartlands.
The bigger picture and which is entirely consistent with my other posts on this subject, would ask how and why so many people have been left so far behind in the UK, by corporate driven single market, EU capitalism. The EU has had plenty of opportunities to reform and be more inclusive and has taken none of them. Until the ruling liberal EU (and British) elite start asking these questions, everything else in Brexit UK is irrelevant in the sense of us leaving. We are leaving and it can’t be stopped unless a lib dem government is elected and which won’t happen in month of Sundays.
You’re just repeating yourself.
I’ve no idea how I’ve contradicted myself. (If I have , then I have. I do like Walt Whitman lol) If it’s important, then I’ll either explain or admit fault somewhere along the line. I do make mistakes. Don’t you???
The ‘uneducated/educated’ divide is too simple. I know Cambridge-educated people who voted Brexit, and people without any degree voting Remain. Liverpool and Manchester voted remain – they’re not exactly stuffed to the gills with effete snobs.
The reason for the collapse in the banking system in 2008-9 must surely be established. But it’s nothing to do with globalisation, and everything to do with the loss of confidence in the ruling establishment. It’s a lot less hard to work out why people felt left behind by globalisation – that’s been going on for quite a wile, and long predates the loss of confidence in the said establishment (not much liberal about them by the way).
I have my ow n understanding for both – the financial crash and the exclusionary nature of globalisation. Do you?
I haven’t got the patience to get into long drawn out debates with you Sceptical, sorry. It is the language you choose to use, rather than the actual content which I would be happy to debate and these threads are just a rehash of the last one. You also duck and dive just like Draculina, moving the goal posts every single time and I can’t be arsed typing a 10,000 word essay in response. It does please me though, that finally you are attempting to analyze Brexit and why it happened, the bigger picture, oh and your last line just made me laugh, it was so you.
The ‘uneducated/educated’ divide is too simple.
I won’t hold my breathe waiting for your explanation…
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