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No you missed the point and you keep demonstrating it.
Look i will say this in a calm way, cos this does wind me up…
I truly wish people of all other than white skin colur, actually believed what they say, that they are the same as every white person, some alot better infact, in ever colour skin people there are good and bad, and the easiest way for anyone to be accepted is to just blend in, join in, forget they are in anyway different, our blood all runs red at the end of the day, feel free to please bring up issues of unfairness, but leave the colour issue behind, most intelligent non racist people don’t care what skin colour you are, they like a person for who they are, and accept them for who they are, and these kind of articles just make the whole thing stand out more for me, who cares if he is black, the fact he has been a victim of racism (his words) is the force behind the piece, and the unfairness he feels towards the asians because of this, quite understandably, but let it go man, they are asian they are scum paedos, the others in the article are white they are scum paedos’ so whatever colour they are scum paedo’s, if the news has been unfairly represented then take it to the people that can change this not bleat about it bringing it all up again in yet another racist media circus.@jen_jen wrote:
No you missed the point and you keep demonstrating it.
Or maybe i just see a different point jen jen, that maybe you don’t, and one i wish to express and have done so.
oh and as an aside , i believe in the article he said because these other offenders are white should they have their culture and religions looked into …. my answer is … hell yes, everything involved in a case like this should be looked into, is society to blame is christianity to blame is a lack of faith to blame, many many questions should be asked why this happens by anyone of any colour, and if we can at any time find a crack in the christian religion or our laws that may have caused it in anyway then it needs dealing with, it should as i have said be equal, but this si something for the powers that be should ensure not random journalists with a point to make, he moans about one media circus but chooses to create another, or am i missing that point too
Would you have read the article differently if he’d been a white Christian journalist?
ah now i see what Poli is saying and I agree.
If you wanted to be treated as equal then your colour shouldn’t matter – just get on with things, if you keep bringing up your colour etc noone will see past it.
It makes me laugh when black people give out about the whites and the slave trade when FACT – it started in africa with rich blacks selling the poor blacks.
and as Nina Simone once said “its not the white peoples fault, if black people had the optioin to have slaves – they would have.If everyone would see each other as human and not the colour things would be simpler.
@jen_jen wrote:
Would you have read the article differently if he’d been a white Christian journalist?
lol i read the article and to be honest i never even noticed who wrote it, i scolled down to the writing.
And NO, to me it wouldnt have mattered who wrote it.i don’t think so jen jen, no, .. i seriously have issues with the race thing simply because it annoys me because they are no different, so pieces like this just make it all stand out again, highlighting any differences, had this thread not been here we wouldnt be having this convo and so bringing the whole thing to light. It applies to disabled people too, you either want to be treated the same or not, you make your choice and live with it, not whine about how you are treated when you are the one continually bringing it up and moaning about the unfairness of it all, then in the next breath, saying oh i’m no different treat me the same.
All people are treated by other people differently on their personalities, their abilities, and thats ok, but not on things like this, it really grates on me. I am not racist i have family that are not white,and foreign white, i am not against the disabled i have a son who is. But none of them (my sons not allowed to lol ) make a deal out of it they want to be treated as ordinary and as equal as possible, and don’t harp on the issues surrounding them and any differences, this way they are basically considered as good, bad whichever lol, indeed equal as anyone else,and people stop seeing the differences because it isnt constantly being thrown in their faces because of this, there lies my point.@irish_lucy wrote:
ah now i see what Poli is saying and I agree.
If you wanted to be treated as equal then your colour shouldn’t matter – just get on with things, if you keep bringing up your colour etc noone will see past it.
If everyone would see each other as human and not the colour things would be simpler.
Yes thats my point simply put ty
F_pol, I don’t think you’ve missed the point, but I do think in this particular thread you’ve turned minor references into major ones.
The journalist was placing some relevant personal experience into the mix – something you and I have done occasionally. He was warning about one aspect of media bias and using actual examples. As recent events have shown, we all need to be more vigilant about media bias, its reasons and its consequences.
If you didn’t see the comments around the Rochdale case from journalists, politicians and other public figures (and if I recall, within these boards) specifically associating with the muslim community the grooming of young white girls for the sex trade, then you wouldn’t really get the necessity for an article such as that. But I can assure you such comments were made, loudly, publicly and frequently and not just by fringe extremists either.
As for dealing with racism as and when it happens to you as an individual, that is something people have to do, and some have to decide which battles are worth taking up or they’d be fighting all the time.
Irish Lucy, I don’t think slavery was mentioned much in the article, or in any of the comments here prior to yours. There are some fundamental differences between the operation of the traditional African slave trade and the way the slave trade was operated by Europeans between Africa and the Americas. It doesn’t make it OK and I won’t go into them: the greatest research tool ever is only a button away from anyone who really wants to know.
But referring to something when relevant isn’t necessarily ‘going on about it’. In a parallel universe without the slave trade I and many others would have a very different names, identity and probably location. So if I can’t refer to the slave trade that would be as great a loss as if I couldn’t refer to Trafalgar Square, Nelson’s Column, Sir Francis Drake or anything else that refers back beyond 1830. Talking about it doesn’t make me or my relevant ancestors more or less victims, heroes or survivors than anyone else, but let’s not censor history.
As to us all being the same, yes, all human, all with the same rights and responsibilities. But we receive different treatment and have to negotiate our own responses. My approval or yours is irrelevant, even if it falls outside our individual comfort zones.
“If you wanted to be treated as equal then your colour shouldn’t matter – just get on with things, if you keep bringing up your colour etc noone will see past it.” As you said, there’s a lot of sense in that. Unfortunately in JC as in life, it’s often not the person themselves that makes colour, religion or disability an issue, but someone else – what do you do then? Even if no one else does, if you can choose to keep your gender on the agenda, can’t someone else choose which aspect of their identity they should make known?
F_pol, My inner psychotherapist would love to find out why race more than (I think) any other seems to get your fingers tapping. And I don’t quite understand why you started another thread to talk about victim mentality, when you want people to stop going on about it. But I’m not going to say you shouldn’t or wish you didn’t because if it matters to you, and it doesn’t cause unnecessary hurt or offence, then why shouldn’t you ‘go on about’ anything that matters to you?
I don’t believe you have missed the point, I don’t agree with many of your conclusions, but then if we agreed on everything, that would be taking ‘being the same’ a bit too far wouldn’t it?
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