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Exactly what IS the difference in real brass tacks terms between someone who THINKS they are lets say napoleon boneaparte and someone who THINKS they are in a body thats the wrong gender?
Arent both just as likely to be delusional?
As transexuality can be viewed as a mental illness then yes, I suppose both the above senarios could be delusional.
Personally I see the two as different , not just from the basis of the formed question :D
I was under the impression that trans-sexuality was a physical thing …. not a mental thing – or am I mistaken???
Isnt it both tho? IF as claimed the person has a male brain in female body or vice versa then the problem is a psychological one that means they feel the need to have a physical alteration (I think its called a “strapadicktome” for women and a “snip n tuck” for men lol)
Thing is tho, and a fact rarely mentioend, we know that male and female brains work quite differently and this can be noted under thermal imaging and some types of brain scans, yet men who claim they SHOULD really be women have invariably a male brain in its operation and the same for women, which were they genetically in possession of the opposite brain to their body that can actually be verified nowadays quite easily by its operation
Also, men will often claim to be having “female” happenings such as PMT, thing there tho is its caused by chemical releases in women, chemical releases that just arent present in the male body or brain meaning it can ONLY be psychostematic in its origin
But the crux really is whether we should be altering peoples bodies to suit their mindset or altering their mindset to suit their bodies really, as proportionally its quite a small percentage of the entire person thats out of whack
I think if someone really believes they are Napoleon Bonaparte, then their friends and relatives should just treat them kindly and buy them a selection of three-corner hats at Christmas. Alternatively, just burst their balloon and tell them to pull themselves together – simple as!
There are however, a percentage of folk who do believe, for whatever reasons, that somehow they are “trapped” in the wrong body and if they believe that then who are we to argue the toss? They usually undergo extensive and lengthy treatments and therapies before they eventually make that transition. I’m just glad I am fairly grounded in my own sexuality and don’t have that decision to make. It cannot be easy.
And as for them being “mentally ill”… well I could walk you the length and breadth of your local highstreet and you wouldn’t know who was mentally ill or not, certainly not just by looking at them. Perhaps using that term makes us feel more secure. Live and let live on this one I think.
O:)Well thats the thing tho, we would try to treat the person who thought they were napoleon wouldnt we?
We certainly wouldnt buy them a pointy hat and a fleet of ships, yet with a gender confused person its quite the opposite, so how come the medical profession doesnt employ the live and let live approach with most delusionals bar the gender confused?
As for “live and let live”, well its a nice soundbite really, but is not only selectively applied anyway, but it also doesnt negate discussion, dissection and theorising. If someones “choice” carries with it a no go affixment where discussion of their choice is also implied then thats not live and let live is it? Its live and lets pretend its not really happening at best and a one way and therefore inequal application of the ethos if these oh so special ikle groups then think they should be immune to being discussed as a curio
What I did was give my personal view Mik and could you be a bit more patronising perhaps “Well it’s a nice soundbite really“? :lol: I was joking about the pointy hat bit btw… so just shut up and just give me a kiss! :wink:
Exsqueeze me??
Are you implying that a personal opinion posted into a “discussion” on a “discussion board” should therefore be beyond reply, question or following with another “personal opinion” then? lol, so you advocate the one post per thread approach to message boards then whrre no second posts ever happen for fear of the “all I did was post my personal opinion” response?
Infact to expand further, it wasnt your “personal” opinion I was actually referring to with the soundbite comment, unless youre claiming to be the creator of the rather inane “live and let live” addage? It was a comment on the vaccuous, meaningless, innacurate and selectively applied manner that particular “ideal” exists in as it never ever actually translates into what its actually meant to mean and actually needs extra following text such as “as long as you dont affect me” or similar, or “live and let live AS LONG as you live a way I agree with” lol
Obviously the kiss sounds like a good idea tho as I get a little cranky after a dry spell hehe :wink:
@forumhostpb wrote:
I was under the impression that trans-sexuality was a physical thing …. not a mental thing – or am I mistaken???
Trans-sexuality have been proven to a medical illness where the trannies concerned have a certain part of the brain, which matches that of a woman.. its in the cerebrel cortex area…which is nr the top of the neck and the brain stem…..( i think its commonly called the logic and sense zone) :wink:
Actually its the left and right hemispheres that separate the genders in terms of thinking, and they most certainly dont exhibit that clearcut difference which is why its NOT conclusively “known” to be a medical phoonomena
Not only do transgender men have male brain scans and trangender women have female ones, but many totally straight men and women also have marginally contradictive ones too showing a that a “male” or “female” slant on thinking DOESNT ergo dictate gender alone
If what you say were the case then there wouldnt be millions spent on research into trying to still answer the quandry each year as is the case
That aside tho, you still didnt even attempt to answer the quetion of what in real brass tacks terms IS the difference between the two delusional states other than how we are brainwashed we would treat and react to them
If you dig further into the stats you will also find a rather high percentage of gender transformation cases then go on to either have the process reversed, have mental breakdowns or commit suicide when they realise that changing gender doesnt magically fix everything that was previously wrong in their lives
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