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28 June, 2012 at 10:40 am #17808
This topic will probably be deleted, and me being banned for what I am going to type.
I seriously am furious that the Queen shook his hand, not once, but twice (once in public, and once privately)! :twisted:
28 June, 2012 at 10:55 am #500216would you be just as furious if she shook hands with Rev. Pasley????
28 June, 2012 at 11:23 am #500217I thought it showed how far we had come, leaving behind a past of fear, anger and hatred. I’d rather her shake his hand than to go back to those times.
Now Ian Paisley on the other hand…
28 June, 2012 at 11:32 am #500218Not a fan of the royals in anyway but I think it took courage to shake this bloke’s hand considering the IRA murdered Lord Mountbatten and his young son.
Not sure I could be so forgiving but then again she has no choice.
I wonder what Queenie and Philip really think and what they’re saying in private?
However, it is time to move on for the sake of peace.
28 June, 2012 at 11:32 am #500219The queen has probably shaken hands with many people with blood on their hands over the years.George bush and Alice cooper are two that spring to mind.
28 June, 2012 at 11:37 am #500220@panda12 wrote:
Not a fan of the royals in anyway but I think it took courage to shake this bloke’s hand considering the IRA murdered Lord Mountbatten and his young son.
Not sure I could be so forgiving but then again she has no choice.
I wonder what Queenie and Philip really think and what they’re saying in private?
However, it is time to move on for the sake of peace.
I went to school with Lord Mountbatten’s ‘twin’ sons! I am not going to labour any point, it is just I really feel for the families of those that died – I agree, yeah, it is a way forward, I just don’t trust it AT ALL!
28 June, 2012 at 1:34 pm #500221I have no time whatsoever for McGuinness or Sinn Fein.
Say what you want about Dr. Paisley.. And there’s a lot that can be said .. But he was never the leader of an illegal army on these islands. He never sanctioned the murder of innocents in shopping centres or pubs. Never gave triumphal voice to the slaughter of pensioners, polishing their medals on Remembrance days.It would shame me to say that I have any hate in my heart, but if any indeed lurks in there, then these utterly despicable creatures would be the beneficiaries.
This.. person.. was quite vocal in his protestations over Queen Elizabeth’s visit to the Republic last year. He and his Sinn Fein cohorts refused point blank to attend any engagements, including the Queen’s profoundly symbolic visit to the memorial of the 1916 leaders. The people who, I may add, Sinn Fein profess to glorify and emulate. So much so, that the many people who welcomed the Queen to Dublin last year, never got a chance to actually see her. Thanks to our friendly, neighbourhood “republicans”, most of the city was closed off. This sickening snub seems all the more hypocritical now considering yesterday’s events. It would seem McGuinness has no issues at all taking the Queens pound in the North as he is part of a representative assembly there. Down here is a different story that last years humiliating ignorance demonstrates. For Sinn Fein continue to feed off an opportunist, dinosaur republican mythology that is tragically still inherent in this at times morally retarded nation. A mythology that dictates that above anything else, Irishness must be defined as Not British at all times.I actually felt sorry for the Queen yesterday.
How many times must the British and Southern Irish establishments pander in supplication to these bastards?
How many times must a British Monarch shake the hand of murderers?
How many times must a British PM apologise?
Where are the apologies for Warrington?
Or Birmingham?
No such thing.
Instead we get the sneering vulgarity of this gang of criminals. Brazen in fudging official questions of IRA membership as they have “won the war” and are now “in office”?
Not only a distinct lack of humility or penance, no, but what they see as a justifiable arrogance.
It makes my blood boil.
Disgusting.
I can only thank my parents for raising me in such a way as to not only avoid, but actively condemn this brand of aggressive, militant and ill educated nationalist mythology and the moral illiteracy of those who support it.If Sinn Fein had supported the royal visit to the Republic last year, I would have greeted yesterday with a great degree of optimism.
Instead, if was just another cog in the chain of their relentless cynicism.
Yes, peace has been achieved in the North, but it’s despite such creatures as the one who shook the Queens hand yesterday.
Not because of them.28 June, 2012 at 1:53 pm #500222@Sgt Pepper wrote:
I have no time whatsoever for McGuinness or Sinn Fein.
Say what you want about Dr. Paisley.. And there’s a lot that can be said .. But he was never the leader of an illegal army on these islands. He never sanctioned the murder of innocents in shopping centres or pubs. Never gave triumphal voice to the slaughter of pensioners, polishing their medals on Remembrance days.Your taking the pee yeah?
He’s just as bad as McGuiness and Adams, Pasley is the Orange Order version of Sinn Fein.I dont support IRA, cant stand the murdering, drug dealing raping bâstards but also I cant help who im related too, and know inside info of who gave and gives orders – on both sides. Remember this crap goes way back to the early 1900’s and before when before the bombs were up the north it all happened in Dublin till the 70’s, when my cousin was blown up outside the GPO in Dublin. Then it moved up north.
28 June, 2012 at 2:28 pm #500223I sympathise with the loss of your cousin Lucy.
I certainly won’t argue your personal opinions here.
As for “info” and what not? I’m more than happy to bow to your superior knowledge on that one.But I’m afraid certain facts are irrefutable.
Yes, Dr Paisley is and was a member of the Orange Order, a sectarian organisation in many ways.
Yes.
But a terrorist army? No.
A group commited to terrorist acts and claiming exclusive responsibilty for atrocities in the name of a supposed political goal?
No.
One could argue that Paisley’s sulphuric rhetoric never helped and indeed actively antagonised, but nevertheless, love or loathe him, he was a parliamentarian.I’m afraid I couldn’t fully understand some of your comments towards the end regarding the chronology of the Troubles, so I won’t dwell on that.
28 June, 2012 at 2:39 pm #500224It is a melting pot – ready to boil over! 8)
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