Rochdale Sex Gang

@kent f OBE wrote:

You may have heard on the news or read in the papers today the Asian sex monsters found guilty of child sex crimes are to be sentenced today.

It’s tough reading and listening….has left me with a knot in my stomach.
In my opinion crimes like these are worst than murder, by that I mean the victim will be scarred for life without a doubt. I would imagine it would affect future relationships…trust issues…letting their children out of their site…the list goes on.

A 15 yr old girl reported the gang in 2008 but the Crown Prosection took no action. Investigations only began in 2010.

Now what has angered me even more , reading in the paper today…most seem to have been named except the Ringleader.The 59 yr old from Oldham faces life in jail. Why can’t he be named when he has been convicted when others in the gang can?

When the gang is so big, the victims so many, the luring taken place in public places like takeaway restaurants…how do people get away with it for so long?

they get away with it for so long kenty because victims are ‘conditioned’ live in fear of violence , or worse i wont love you if you dont the list is endless.

thing is girls as young as 13 were groomed which doesnt say much for their home life does it , there could be abuse at home, the parents themselves could have been abused (not that necessarily makes them abusers) they could have had no role models etc, the list is endless, but, sexual abuse, physical abuse happens every day and countless victims are either conditioned by their abusers or just live in fear, grateful for any crumb of affection they can get ……

@kent f OBE wrote:

@terry wrote:

@kent f OBE wrote:

A 15 yr old girl reported the gang in 2008 but the Crown Prosection took no action. Investigations only began in 2010.

Reports in the newspapers are saying the police were “petrified” of being branded as racists. My message to the police and the CPS involved in this case is simple: resign.

Well I hope there is an enquiry..I know the police have it tough….we live in a world now where PCness has gone mad…but if the police stopped investigating somthing like this because of a being labelled racist it’s horrifying….I wonder how it would have been investigated had it been a white gang who abused asian kids?…I think the police wouldve acted sooner so not to be labelled racist………seems the police are held by their goolies ……very wrongly

I agree Terry. It was reported in the newspapers, but I wonder if the fear of being branded racist was the problem. People of colour are still dealt with at a disproportionately high level in the criminal justice system. Perhaps those crimes are easier and cheaper to investigate.

Unless the CPS sanction a prosecution and just as importantly resources are forthcoming, not much can be done pro-actively by the police.

There are sex rings involving white people which remain undetected and un-investigated, it’s not a recent at all – the notorious cases involving care homes and church-based organisations pre-date notions of “PC” by decades and more and share the same problems as this case.

The reasons are many, Cath mentioned some; also children have to muster the courage to approach someone in authority, they might not have the vocabulary for it, failure to believe victims and witnesses, difficulty in getting evidence that will hold up in court, the social standing and resourcefulness of the people involved. Failure to take even scandalous sex crimes seriously (the low conviction rate in adult rape cases is a related example).

I’m not saying that no police officer fears being branded as racist, but I seriously wonder how representative they are of the system as a whole and how many of the problems are in fact generic for this type of crime.

OK back to work . . . .

i don’t think any one is denying there are white sex rings words indeed the facts reported are white people are singularly more when it comes to the whole grooming young people apparently, i think what terry is saying (im guessing) is that these officers of law should uphold the law regardless of colour or creed, and i agree they are tied so much nowadays both by worrying about being racist and worried about discipling the youngsters on the street, among other things, cos that is something else they cant seem to do nowadays without fear of reprisal, and they should be able to do. Not sure its them that should resign though i disagree with Terry there, its the whole system that should be sorted out so they arent in that position in the first place.

@(f)politics? wrote:

i don’t think any one is denying there are white sex rings words indeed the facts reported are white people are singularly more when it comes to the whole grooming young people apparently, i think what terry is saying (im guessing) is that these officers of law should uphold the law regardless of colour or creed, and i agree they are tied so much nowadays both by worrying about being racist and worried about discipling the youngsters on the street, among other things, cos that is something else they cant seem to do nowadays without fear of reprisal, and they should be able to do. Not sure its them that should resign though i disagree with Terry there, its the whole system that should be sorted out so they arent in that position in the first place.

I did agree with Terry f_pol. I think my disagreement was more with Kenty’s statement as I believe the police in general are much less afraid of such criticisms than many people think. It’s a handy way of deflecting scrutiny from key issues such as police numbers and deployment, resources, strategies for dealing with specialist areas of crime, and police/community relations generally.