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26 June, 2011 at 9:19 am #16472
I was surprised to hear if an immigrant murders in this country… yes he will be subject to our justice system and serve a prison sentence, however he will not be deported back to his country of origin as that will be against his human rights.
I am not against immigration but I do feel if you abuse the law of this country you should be deported back to your country of origin and not given British citizenship.
I wonder what others think?
26 June, 2011 at 3:50 pm #471700Not human rights for ~ humans, that really does it, i’ve said it before but thi . . .
By definition ~ yes.
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26 June, 2011 at 4:13 pm #471701I guess it depends what you mean by “human rights”.
Under the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, everyone , man, woman or child, are entitled to human rights, no matter what they may have done in this life. I’ve copied and pasted a simplified version of those rights at the end of this post.
Re whether criminals should be deported, in my opinion provided it doesn’t breach the 14th human right
“The Right to Seek a Safe Place to Live. If we are frightened of being badly treated in our own country, we all have the right to run away to another country to be safe.”
then yes, they should be deported back to the country of their nationality.Now if only every nation (including our own) actually observed these human rights, the world might just become a better place.
United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights
Simplified Version
This simplified version of the 30 Articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights has been created especially for young people.1. We Are All Born Free & Equal. We are all born free. We all have our own thoughts and ideas. We should all be treated in the same way.
2. Don’t Discriminate. These rights belong to everybody, whatever our differences.
3. The Right to Life. We all have the right to life, and to live in freedom and safety.
4. No Slavery. Nobody has any right to make us a slave. We cannot make anyone our slave.
5. No Torture. Nobody has any right to hurt us or to torture us.
6. You Have Rights No Matter Where You Go. I am a person just like you!
7. We’re All Equal Before the Law. The law is the same for everyone. It must treat us all fairly.
8. Your Human Rights Are Protected by Law. We can all ask for the law to help us when we are not treated fairly.
9. No Unfair Detainment. Nobody has the right to put us in prison without good reason and keep us there, or to send us away from our country.
10. The Right to Trial. If we are put on trial this should be in public. The people who try us should not let anyone tell them what to do.
11. We’re Always Innocent Till Proven Guilty. Nobody should be blamed for doing something until it is proven. When people say we did a bad thing we have the right to show it is not true.
12. The Right to Privacy. Nobody should try to harm our good name. Nobody has the right to come into our home, open our letters, or bother us or our family without a good reason.
13. Freedom to Move. We all have the right to go where we want in our own country and to travel as we wish.
14. The Right to Seek a Safe Place to Live. If we are frightened of being badly treated in our own country, we all have the right to run away to another country to be safe.
15. Right to a Nationality. We all have the right to belong to a country.
16. Marriage and Family. Every grown-up has the right to marry and have a family if they want to. Men and women have the same rights when they are married, and when they are separated.
17. The Right to Your Own Things. Everyone has the right to own things or share them. Nobody should take our things from us without a good reason.
18. Freedom of Thought. We all have the right to believe in what we want to believe, to have a religion, or to change it if we want.
19. Freedom of Expression. We all have the right to make up our own minds, to think what we like, to say what we think, and to share our ideas with other people.
20. The Right to Public Assembly. We all have the right to meet our friends and to work together in peace to defend our rights. Nobody can make us join a group if we don’t want to.
21. The Right to Democracy. We all have the right to take part in the government of our country. Every grown-up should be allowed to choose their own leaders.
22. Social Security. We all have the right to affordable housing, medicine, education, and childcare, enough money to live on and medical help if we are ill or old.
23. Workers’ Rights. Every grown-up has the right to do a job, to a fair wage for their work, and to join a trade union.
24. The Right to Play. We all have the right to rest from work and to relax.
25. Food and Shelter for All. We all have the right to a good life. Mothers and children, people who are old, unemployed or disabled, and all people have the right to be cared for.
26. The Right to Education. Education is a right. Primary school should be free. We should learn about the United Nations and how to get on with others. Our parents can choose what we learn.
27. Copyright. Copyright is a special law that protects one’s own artistic creations and writings; others cannot make copies without permission. We all have the right to our own way of life and to enjoy the good things that art, science and learning bring.
28. A Fair and Free World. There must be proper order so we can all enjoy rights and freedoms in our own country and all over the world.
29. Responsibility. We have a duty to other people, and we should protect their rights and freedoms.
30. No One Can Take Away Your Human Rights.
26 June, 2011 at 4:46 pm #471702I agree the law stinks when it comes to certain sentences wether immigrants or not.
I do find your last paragraph a bit of an uneasy read Mrs T. Like British Citizenship is some sort of elite club for people who don’t do anything wrong.
26 June, 2011 at 5:21 pm #471703Human rights are for humans.
Criminals are monsters.
So no, immigrants or not, criminals full stop deserve NO rights.
26 June, 2011 at 5:49 pm #471704Human: noun
A member of the Homo sapiens species; a man, woman or child; a person.Rights: noun
Things to which you are entitled or allowed; freedoms that are guaranteed.Human Rights: noun
The rights you have simply because you are human.27 June, 2011 at 9:12 am #471705@mrs_teapot wrote:
I was surprised to hear if an immigrant murders in this country… yes he will be subject to our justice system and serve a prison sentence, however he will not be deported back to his country of origin as that will be against his human rights.
I am not against immigration but I do feel if you abuse the law of this country you should be deported back to your country of origin and not given British citizenship.
I wonder what others think?
One of Jamie Bulger killers is in Ireland, or is that the pair of them now – do you want them back????
27 June, 2011 at 4:16 pm #471706@kent f OBE wrote:
I agree the law stinks when it comes to certain sentences wether immigrants or not.
I do find your last paragraph a bit of an uneasy read Mrs T. Like British Citizenship is some sort of elite club for people who don’t do anything wrong.
Not at all kent, I look at it like this though, if I invited a guest from overseas into my home and he commited a crime against me or my family I certainly would not invite them back, god forbid it was something as terrible as murder!
As far as immigration is concerned I have no issue with folks coming here to better their lives and contribute to the economy. I might also add and this might be controversial, I am a strong advocate of Turkey joining the European Community as long as it is well managed.
27 June, 2011 at 5:06 pm #471707on a same although slightly different angle.. What aboutThe parties we keep hearing about, where little girls are taken to a party and once there its to get genetically mutilated ! watched a documentary about this.. what a shocker. and where is this happening ? right here in the UK.
Seemingly a cutter ( the affectionate name given to the crone who weilds the razor blade) In France was given 8 yeard for organising such parties. I need not say this is immoral and it all usually happens during the summer holidays, to give the girls a chance to heal. By heal i do mean heal up the entire vaginal area, leaving a tiny hole for urine and period blood. All in the name of religeon and the fact they will never be able to enjoy sex. oh BUT,, they argue, they are opened up again when married ! more pain.It should be made bliddy illegal..When in Rome indeed..
27 June, 2011 at 10:44 pm #471708 -
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