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11 November, 2010 at 11:36 am #15563
Gaz’s little post got me thinking. Somthing I have never actually thought about before.
Would people object to white muslims, white sikhs etc?
Is it the religion, colour, or dress some may object to? If more than one of those, which order?Now please don’t take offence in the question. It’s merely for debate and interest. Everyone should be allowed to voice their opinion whatever it is without being labelled.
Personally I object to a full muslim dress when travelling and in court. I think it makes people feel uneasy when there is a muslim lady dressed in full burkah covered from head to toe and only the eyes showing. Why are these women allowed to pass through airport security so? We have all heard of cases of wanted muslim men fleeing the country this way, wether it’s true or not I don’t know.
Can I just quickly add an experience of my own. This August gone, when I was going through airport security at Mallorca Airport, the buzzy thingy kept going off. I had to take my shoes and belt off like many many other travellers did. It still kept going off, I was taken to the side and frisked and I told the staff it’s probably my Kara (sikh bangle). She immediately asked me to take it off. I thought if I was a muslim dressed in a full burkah I would probably not have been asked to remove my clothing. So I refused point blank.
She just looked at me and told me to go! That’s how easy it is to get away with things. Rightly or wrongly. I wonder if I had been a white christian would I have been dismissed so easily if I refused to remove my cross. Some how I think not.Lets think about this one and be honest in replies. I am just very interested in your feelings on this one. And let’s al be adult about it and respect others opinions.
11 November, 2010 at 12:17 pm #453958:o
Mrs Kent, there really is more to you behind the clip-clop of those heels isn’t there ? :lol: :wink:The first thing to ask yourself Mrs Kent is, how would they know what religion any person is by the colour of their skin ? History shows that some people judge purely on sight alone.
The burkah is strictly a personal choice of dress, a tradition, it is NOT a requirement in their “ holy book “. As far as security is concerned, there is NO reason a woman dressed in the burkah cannot be stripped of it in the presence of females, NONE.Forcing woman NOT to wear the burkah is a removal of a Freedom, that is a concern regardless of the religious slant.
11 November, 2010 at 12:39 pm #453959I agree completely with your last post, Gaz.
Has to be same rules for all. It’s perfectly possible to search and be sensitive. Airports should have facilities so that women who choose to wear burkahs can be fully identified, and searched if necessary.
After all, white girls can now wear trousers to school primarily because other ethnic groups did not want to wear skirts, so that they could preserve their culture norm of modesty. Everyone can wear trousers as a result. Nothing wrong with that. On the other hand a school close to me only allows you to wear your hair braided or in dreads if you are black. That kind of stupidity is what ends up getting quoted as an example of “what’s going wrong with this country” and how “immigrants are taking over”. Apart from the crime against fashion involved, I’m sure none of the parents of the black kids at the school were campaigning to stop white kids wearing dreads!
Surely it’s all about sensitivity to people’s cultures, not fear of them. There have been a number of child protection cases where investigations were not thorough enough because social services did not want to offend the families. That can’t be acceptable.
Diverse society. One law. Everyone who is legally resident in the UK, whatever their origin, has the right to try to change it but the duty to uphold it.
11 November, 2010 at 1:21 pm #453960](*,)
11 November, 2010 at 1:22 pm #45396111 November, 2010 at 1:27 pm #453962@cherriepie wrote:
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and no, I’m not Jewish ^ .
Lol…..even if you were Cherrie your nose would be considerably smaller with all that bangingg :wink:
11 November, 2010 at 1:48 pm #453963@cherriepie wrote:
@cherriepie wrote:
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and no, I’m not Jewish ^ .
What you wailing about woman ? :lol:
11 November, 2010 at 3:22 pm #453964@kent f OBE wrote:
@cherriepie wrote:
@cherriepie wrote:
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and no, I’m not Jewish ^ .
Lol…..even if you were Cherrie your nose would be considerably smaller with all that bangingg :wink:
omg lol that totally sounded like you are saying I have a big nose :o
*cries*
11 November, 2010 at 4:52 pm #453965Too often race and religion get confused.
Some like to assume that brown skin people are more likely to be muslims, hindus, or even sikh as many sikh where I live no longer wear a turban.
The other assumption is that if you are white, you are Christian.
Ummmm, so not true!
You only need look at the 7 / 7 bombers – Jermaine Lindsay, one of the bombers was Jamaican, and Jamaica is known for being Christian.
There are brown and white muslims in the World as well as many black muslims – look at Somalia.
Likewise, there are many white, brown and black Christians.
The problem in this country is people are ignorant of the religious make up of the World, and I include myself in that.
One thing I have learnt is that you cannot look at someone and assume that because they are a certain colour then they must be a certain religion.
Also, people often get accused of being racist when they criticise a religion – for instance if you criticise Islam and sharia law you may be called a racist.
But you’re not – Islam is a religion not a race of people! Anyone can become a muslim but no one can change their race! And that’s the same for any religion.
It’s about time that do gooders understood the differentiation.
Now I am mixed race but I do think things are taken too far and only alienate the indigineous population. Not letting a white kid have beads or dreads is one such example although I hasten to add, it’s a hairstyle that doesn’t suit white or brown skins and non afro hair IMHO.
However, the choice should be there.
I for one having been born here am fed up of treading on eggshells for fear of upsetting someone and it’s the do gooders seeking to improve things that have caused that and in doing so, have just caused more resentment.
As for the Burkha – banning it is just going to cause unnecessary resentment although in Muslims countries, westerners have to abide by the dress code so if it is banned, then those that wear it should abide by the rules or move to a country where it is permitted.
In addition, I think people tend to believe too much of the press when it villifies Islam – I work with a lot of Muslims both male and female and young and old and they are certainly nothing like the press makes them out to be. Why, they even have a sense of humour!
11 November, 2010 at 5:14 pm #453966@cosy.m wrote:
well put panda,and welcome back
ty cosy – not really been away but been a bit busy doing other things.
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