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20 November, 2009 at 9:45 am #1399820 November, 2009 at 10:32 am #424248
Wish i looked that good :wink:
20 November, 2009 at 11:58 am #42424960% of what you put on your skin is absorbed into the body and into the bloodstream.
That’s why I chose to go as natural as possible on all body products a few years ago…I was losing the use of my legs due to toxin overload, and a lot of the toxins were from things I put on my skin. Still got a long way to go but at least I’m not in a wheelchair :?20 November, 2009 at 3:08 pm #424250That’s not true. You skin is a very effective barrier to almost everything. If it were true wouldn’t needn’t inject medication like insulin into diabetics, we could seemly smear it onto them!
There’s an awful lot of cods wallop talked about carcinogens and chemicals in our environment. Strawberry jam could cause cancer if it were rubbed into ones retinae every day for six months but we don’t and eating it on scones (hmmmm…scones) is just fine. We have two organs that get rid of toxins: liver and kidneys and they’re very efficient at their job unless we bugger them up with alcohol! Also remember that we live with loads of chemical everyday from the perfumes we use to the cleaning products we use in our houses to the plastics all around us that leach thalates into our living spaces.
With the greatest of respect, jen_jen, whoever told you that putting things on your skin was causing you too lose the use of your legs was ill-informed to say the least. If you are experiencing muscle weakness then please see a medical practitioner as soon as possible as this is a very worrying symptom of several diseases.
20 November, 2009 at 3:16 pm #424251Mercury and many of its chemical compounds, especially organomercury compounds, can also be readily absorbed through direct contact with bare, or in some cases (such as dimethylmercury) insufficiently protected, skin.
Absorption through the skin has been confirmed by a report (Dalt et al, 1991) of a case of a 1 – month old infant who became intoxicated as a result of absorption of ethyl alcohol from dressings applied to the stump of the umbilical cord and the skin adjacent to it.
Additional confirmation of skin absorption comes from a microdialysis study in which a long probe with was inserted under the skin for a distance of 3 cm. Ethyl alcohol was then placed in a small area on the skin above the probe while the subcutaneous area was being perfused. Analysis of the perfusate indicated the presence in an amount that was related to the extent of skin exposure (Anderson et al, 1991).oh and two words… nicotene patch
20 November, 2009 at 4:03 pm #424252@shihogiri wrote:
With the greatest of respect, jen_jen, whoever told you that putting things on your skin was causing you too lose the use of your legs was ill-informed to say the least. If you are experiencing muscle weakness then please see a medical practitioner as soon as possible as this is a very worrying symptom of several diseases.
Try looking here Chemical Absorption Through The Skin
Also, quote from Wikipedia: “Skin absorption is a route by which substances can enter the body through the skin. Along with inhalation, ingestion and injection, dermal absorption is a route of exposure for toxic substances and route of administration for medication. Absorption of substances through the skin depends on a number of factors, the most important of which are concentration, duration of contact, *solubility of medication*, and physical condition of the skin and part of the body exposed. Certain substances called carriers can be used to greatly increase the amount of other substances that is able to penetrate the skin. Dimethyl sulfoxide (DMSO) is a carrier that is frequently used to transport medication through the skin. This allows treatment to be localized, unlike with ingestion. Alongside that, certain medications seem to be more effective (or are more efficient) using this route of administration, while it still remains clear that others are not.”
Pain relief patches, nicotine patches, HRT patches, ibuprofen cream…shall I go on?
And with the greatest respect, I have seen more medical practitioners of more disciplines than I care to mention, allopathic medicine could only provide symptom management, meantime I was speedily heading for a wheelchair and a bungalow. I am very aware, and have been scared sh!tless by the medical profession with their thoughts of all the illnesses it could be. It took a clinical nutritionist, not a quack, to determine that my liver and kidneys were severely compromised by toxin overload and to help me sort out where the toxins where coming from and eliminate them as far as possible from my life.
Was she ill informed? Yep, must have been, that’s why I was on the verge of ending up in a wheelchair and unable to walk more than 20 yards, and now I can walk a mile on a bad day and a lot further on a good day, not by medical intervention but by taking steps to elimate toxins from my life as far as is reasonably possible whilst still having a life.
20 November, 2009 at 5:42 pm #424253Thanks for the welcome Will.
Nicotine is a bit of an exception to the rule, but the concentrations of nicotine in the patches has to be really high to get a therapeutic dose into the system. The gums and inhalers are much more effective and controllable. Those Ibuleve gels you can buy, to rub onto joints are rubbish at controlling pain until you get them at prescription only high doses. Most of these things work via the placebo effect which is an incredibly powerful effect that we underestimate. Next time you have a headache, try Sellotaping a couple of paracetamol to your skin and see how long it takes for your headache to disappear. If you’re ever giving birth or having a broken leg reset, ask the obstetrician/orthopod to squirt the pethadine onto you skin for pain relief and see how loud and long you scream. The skin is a very effective barrier but not a perfect one. I seriously doubt, jen_jen, that rubbing every day substances onto your skin led to your ailment and anything that is absorbed through your skin is easily dealt with by your liver/kidneys. As for allopathic medicine, its the best thing we have and 99/100 it works really well. I’d rather have medicines than wave a crystal over my head or have some quack hold their hands over me in Reiki healing etc! Hopi ear candle anyone? :wink:
Don’t believe everything you read on Wiki, by the way. One of my students altered all the terms and definitions on an anatomy Wiki page so that his pal would come into Uni the next day and get everything wrong when I quizzed him or pointed things out on specimens! It worked!
20 November, 2009 at 8:13 pm #424254It can take one molecule of a carcinogen to give you cancer at some later date imagine what putting on makeup can do over 30 yrs no matter how good your skin is
20 November, 2009 at 11:20 pm #424255Firstly it was not my intention to imply that my medical condition was purely down to what was rubbed on my skin…I think I did say that it was due to toxin overload and that a lot of those toxins were from things that I put on my skin; there were also ingested toxins and inhaled toxins. I could give a lot more information about my experiences but this thread isn’t about me and my health, and I think I have put enough personal information in the public domain for now.
Secondly, whilst I copied and pasted from Wikipedia, the fallibility of which I am well aware, there is also a link to a website, the article itself references several scientific studies, and there is a wealth of scientific data out there on the absorption of various chemicals into the skin. Yes, some things are more readily absorbed than others, but they are absorbed.
Thirdly, yes a lot of these things do work on the placebo effect, in both allopathic and complementary medicine (please note the use of the word complementary and not alternative), but that does not change the fact that the skin can and does absorb many substances, some of which are toxic, some of which are not, which was the point of this post.
I am intrigued though on how you perceive clinical nutrition and that you seem to put it in the same bracket as crystals, Reiki and hopi ear candling. And I fail to see how the latter have any bearing on absorption of toxins via the skin…but then again, threads rarely stay on the topic in JC :wink:
Yes there are some illnesses that you would only treat with allopathic medicine, but there is also a place for complementary therapies alongside allopathic medicine…but that’s not what this thread is about.
21 November, 2009 at 8:23 am #424256Nice referencing Pete :lol: :wink:
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