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How many more people have to die before people wake up to the problem?
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Channel 4 has retracted the attacker’s identity as being false information. So I withoild my previous comment until more details are released.
We pretty much know the problem.
We are handling it the only way it can be handled.
It’s not being handeled at all, talking about it isn’t culturally accepted, or even legal in may western countries.
I had pretty much all of F2 turn hostile against me yesterday for critizicisng Islam. Apparently it’s fine that a majority of muslims are homophobic because there are also some christians who are homophobic.
The problem of terror isn’t Islam, but the jihadis, radical Islam.
If the problem was Islam, then we would be in real trouble; several million Muslims in the UK who supported terror would be a civil war situation.
The vast majority of Muslims are totally opposed to terror attacks.
The worrying thing is the number of young people whoa re attracted to the jihadis. and this is a question which is a very difficult nettle to grasp. Attacking Islam is a sure way of increasing their support; showing a friendly face to Islam while totally rejecting the jihadis is the best way of isolating and marginalising the jihadis.
On Islam in general, I am in sympathy with you. It’s not a religion which I find attractive, personally, and its homophobia (and misogyny and sexual puritanism) is repellant. It shares this with many (by no means all) Christians.
But we’re talking of terror, here, not the attractiveness or otherwise of Islam
The terrorist is a Brit, inspired by ISIS. Every serious terror attack in this country, the 7/7 bombing of 2005, the butchery of Lee Rigby, has been carried out by a Brit.
Blocking immigration from Muslim countries is not going to dent this problem. Even if we do, we’re going to be faced with the fear of another attack, which is very real.
It may seem heartless to say, and I mean absolutely no disrespect to the pain and suffering of the victims and their families, but we got off lightly. Compare with the 32 dead in Brussels and the 84 dead in Nice last year.
There’s no guarantee that an attack with heavy loss of life won’t take place in the UK.
The police re conducting 500 investigations into jihadis at the moment, before the attack, and they tend to be very effective.
But there is no way that anybody or any policy can stop the new type of attack coming into place – the lone attacker, using a car/heavy vehicle and a knife.
The new weapon of the day among young gangs in the UK is to use acid rather than knives – very nasty. I wouldn’t rule out that being used.
The problem of terror isn’t Islam, but the jihadis, radical Islam. If the problem was Islam, then we would be in real trouble; several million Muslims in the UK who supported terror would be a civil war situation. The vast majority of Muslims are totally opposed to terror attacks. The worrying thing is the number of young people whoa re attracted to the jihadis. and this is a question which is a very difficult nettle to grasp. Attacking Islam is a sure way of increasing their support; showing a friendly face to Islam while totally rejecting the jihadis is the best way of isolating and marginalising the jihadis. On Islam in general, I am in sympathy with you. It’s not a religion which I find attractive, personally, and its homophobia (and misogyny and sexual puritanism) is repellant. It shares this with many (by no means all) Christians. But we’re talking of terror, here, not the attractiveness or otherwise of Islam
This is nonsense.. Islam is ” radical” if you read the Quran and has been said numerous times on this board, Isis are simply carrying out the contents of what is written in the “holy book” word for word. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-399352/Almost-quarter-Muslims-believe-7-7-justified.html I wouldn’t say over 300,000 is a “tiny minority” would you? This article dates back over 10 years and we have even more of Allahs finest on these shores now spreading their doctrine of filth. Why would anyone want to ” show a friendly face” to a religion which you describe in your own words as “its homophobia (and misogyny and sexual puritanism) is repellant.”
It’s naive to believe a religion which preaches this hatred encouraging the ” slaying of infidels ( christians and atheists) where you find them” which is a direct quote from the quran as not conducive to terror related activities.
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Pretty much everything you just said is wrong Scep. If the problem wasn’t with Islam then there would be nothing that muslims could use as a basis for their radicalisation.
I don’t think the vast majority are apposed to terrorism, this is reflected in The Centre for Social Cohesion study, and how the muslim communinty in Belgium acted after the Brussels attacks, where they actively hid the attackers from police.
In regards to immigration, banning islamic immigration would reduce the number of British muslims, where do you think British muslims come from? They are the decendents of muslim immigrants (99% of the time). More immigrants = more children = more muslims. I see no reason why we should continue to intentionally increase this problem demographic when there are billions of non-islamic migrants we can choose from.
I don’t know why the attacker was armed with a knife, I don’t imagine its that hard to purchase a gun illegally on the black market. Even if not that, shotgun licences are given out to pretty much anyone with little background checks from what I understand.
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I’ve posted the Centre for Social Cohesion study before but I will leave one quote from it here for you to read. “Just under a third of Muslim students polled (32%) said killing in the name
of religion can be justified”. Your majority doesn’t seem so vast suddenly.Another slant to this ….. 3 people lost their lives & several more were badly injured.
The doctors nurses & others from St Thomas’s ran out to help the injured as did the MP that fought to save the policeman … sadly in vain.
This attack was one bloody nutter & no one will know why he did it .
To my knowledge NO POLITICAL or RACIAL group has taken responsibilty .
I might be alone here in this thought BUT ….. if it was a full blown terrorist attack there would of been a lot more damage done & the potential loss of life doesn’t bare thinking about.
The way the situation was dealt with was amazing really considering the chaos & many many people were kept safe by our police. In the face of adversity they stepped up & for that we must be thankful.
My thoughts go out to all those affected by Wednesdays events but we as Brits stand united & won’t live in fear of these loose cannons or terrorists.
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